Pictured is a similar aftermarket P08 and police stick-wing acceptance stamped muzzle protector disassembled. Dealers description: Conversion from an artillery pattern holster, no legible markings. centered in the federal states of Prussia, Bavaria, Baden, Wuerttemberg, It has all matching parts to include the side plate and take down lever which were stamped again with the same 2 digits as before but on the front of each part like would would see on a military marked pistol. The thumb safety is marked "Gesichert" and when exposed (1096) NOTE: Photographs taken today Decoding these proof marks is very useful in determining the age and history of the gun. Best, Pat He who lives by the sword, should train with it frequently. feared that an expanded police force would become a ready reserve for the violations of the Treaty of Versailles by the German police. A 1925 dated report of the IMKK notes noncompliance and links[5]='http://www.wwiidaggers.com'; The device was manufactured by ERMA and is police E/B marked. 1929 police luger markings on side plate and back of frame User Name: Remember Me? Maybe it was a rework from the 20's or 30's. Any aluminium based or black plastic based magazine (without serial number) would be correct for this gun. Per C. Kenyon in Lugers at Random, 1969, Section 8, page 250 GENERAL NOTES states that: very few of these early DWM/BKIW/Mauser Oberndorf assembled P.08s were made and very few of this variation are found with a Sear safety. (113P) DWM 1920 Police Rework Luger Pistol . View 1 and view 2. As a result, the holster is about of an inch longer than the typically encountered cut-back artillery holster with a toe plug. Das gibt ihm den inneren halt, das ruhige Uustreten in der Dessentlichteit, den sicheren Erfolg und damit eine gesteigerte Dienstfreudigteit und Liebe zum Berufe. "The Flag does not fly because of the wind that blows it. Post WW2 police manual, dated 1946, is titled The Police Pistols, Dresden, part of the Soviet Occupation Zone, identified of the cover as part of the State of Saxony. The base is too thick and the ball shape is incorrect. institute for technology and transport. The Based on the ratio proportion of the three rounds next to the muzzle protector, clearly indicates that the pictured muzzle protector is the smaller or shorter length spring-loaded variation 1 example and not the variation 2 longer length, not spring-loaded ERMA made muzzle protector. First Mass-produced Semi-automatic Pistol. The post WW2 German Railway system apparently still required police protection as evidenced by the subject pictured FN Browning M1922 7.65 mm pistol, stamped, interestingly, Bahnpolizei (Railway Police) U.S. The tube is in excellent condition with most . Pictured is a 1943 dated SCHAMBACH & Co. -BERLIN police holster with a unique eagle over circled Nazi Swastika police B inspection stamp; view 1, view 2 and view 3. The E/WaAJL16 is, by all accounts to date, similar to, or a variation of, the acceptance stamp for Factory Guard/Werkschutz issue. The Fraktur font originated sometime in the 16th century and was then widely used on most documents and written works. ----------------------------------------------------------- page 11 ---------------------------------------------------------- The leather, stitching and markings are complete. Pictured is an unknown maker German Police The IMKK, Inter-Alliierte Militaer-Kontroll-Kommission (Inter-Allied Note the non-standard vertical location of added metal belt buckle and strap/keeper cover flap holster, the subject cut-back artillery LP.08 holster to P.08 holster police marked, the bottom edge of the holster body inner liner, Pictured is a WW1 P08 army holster modified to a Police holster in the 1920s, whereas other identified, non-holster Hannover markings, such as Police P08s. 9mm Luger Caliber. Heinrich Krieghoff - Suhl, Germany At least six pre-production Lugers are known to exist. Pictured is a disassembled view of the subject aftermarket P08 marked and police stick wing acceptance stamped, variation 1 muzzle protector. 5. The only marking is the Akah company logo on the back side, between the belt loops. information about where such materiel have been (e.g., which battles in Collectors tend to err toward a variation 2 style ERMA made and marked muzzle protector that is, interestingly a different mechanical design than the above, variation 1 spring tension muzzle protector that attaches to the barrel with a one-step process by sliding, then rotating clockwise, over the barrel sight band/blade assembly, then released in detent, held in place by spring tension. The Police Lugers: German Police Lugers and Their Markings 1918-1958 book is in very low demand now as the rank for the book is 5,705,216 at the moment. Pictured is a Police Luger with chain and connected brush in barrel. This rare leather S.K.g 715 holster by Otto Stuertz Allenstein is in excellent condition. 18: . The fourth is a very early 3-digit, circa 1930 production DWM/Mauser commercial/Police Luger serial number 873V. The conventional wisdom is that these were manufactured in 1929. An examination of another cut-back Artillery to Police holster in the LOB collection, dated 1915 made by P. Braunleder Cln challenges the above conclusions regarding the upper and lower brass studs. And when new information comes out, sometimes "old" information is shown to be wrong. 30. This was naturally discontinued with the dissolution of the Tom answers that question and gives a detailed . The TBLAP kit was made for rifles and pistols, whereas the subject kit was specifically made for pistols as indicated by the 220mm, short length pull-through chain. 4. issued to a unit; e.g., the 351st P08 pistol issued to the Schutzpolizei It is speculated that the shift was also motivated by the need to communicate with occupied territories during WW2 and the use of Fraktur would inhibit that communication. Still, page 174 Figure 28b describes and pictures a P.08 barrel installed ERMA muzzle protector in the text caption that states: This device fits over the muzzle of a Luger and reportedly protects the barrel rifling at the muzzle from the cleaning rod shaft. cut-back modified/converted in the Weimar era for use with a police P.08, 4-inch barrel Luger. with the following rear cover page translations, of which both Volume I and Volume II front and rear covers are identical, with the rear cover upper paragraph statement: The "Guide" compiled in Eagle over 83 is the marking for the responsable acceptance office for Mauser (WaA83). It is interesting to note that in TBLAP, VIII, C19, page 1266 Sturgess states the following: regarding the police cleaning rods: For this purpose, the precincts held the long cleaning rods, similar to the navy P.04 pattern, onto which a brass travel stop was soldered, used in conjunction with the Mndungsschoner (muzzle protector), which was too bulky to fit into any holster (cleaning rod sleeve) compartment and in any case served no purpose if carried on patrol. Serial number stamped on the back corner 9436. two-step attachment process, requiring 1) a threaded, slotted, circular Pictured is a brown leather 1929 dated Robert Larsen Berlin police holster with a Weimar era Sunburst K police inspection stamp and marked L.H. The L.Z.A. When found, the holsters are generally expensive, even in fair to poor condition. This is a Luger P08 without Nazi markings! Pictured is a period photograph of three Nazi Police officers with round Gott mit uns marked belt buckles with the Police officers on the left and right side with black leather belts and the center Police officer with a white colored belt. an order of the Prussian Ministry of the Interior dated April 15, 1919, to "Jt" being the abbreviation for the Ingolstadt HZa. though provides no picture. There is, however, conclusive evidence that the German police did indeed use cut-back Artillery holsters in the early 1920s Weimar era as a search of the Berlin Federal Archives located a picture identified as Bundesarchiv. Police Lugers by Edward B. Tinker & Dwight Gruber This book has some very interesting chapters that many other luger books do not have. The following tables list the base forms for police unit marks found in Many of its members (for example I think it's a P08 made by DWM ( Deutsche Waffen und Munitionsfabriken ). " police cleaning rods, describes them as: Original It might be that a few H.P. stamp was applied by local branch offices established in the last years of WW1, due to leather shortages, in major German cities and were applied to the leather sheets before distribution to the manufacturers, and the marks can show up in odd locations on the finished product, in this case, over the holster body pull-up strap rectangular slot. My reference book (The Standard Catalog of Luger by Aarron Davis, page 103) shows the eagle with PTV over it. 3 Arming Weimar Germany, including Weimar Police Lugers, the Sear Safety, the Magazine Safety, profiles of Weimar Police Lugers, Police holsters, Police Magazines and Police tools & miscellaneous. The new police, which is basically intended for the field service and uniformed, not only provides the general security service, but also for the maintenance of order, calm and cleanliness, for the regulation of touch, for the outer sanctuary of Sundays and holidays, the singing transport system and finally ensure that the principles of business sports are observed. Regarding the completely intact magazine safety of 4559t, very few of these police Lugers survived as nearly all of these magazine safety assemblies were deactivated by cutting off the front end of the mechanism under a decree of May 1937. Due to the different design of the variation 1 muzzle protector this particular interference issue is not encountered. Pictured is a black leather 1935 dated Franz Cobau Berlin holster with an circled K police inspection stamp and P08 pistol issue number S.P.R. Interestingly, that is maybe why the upper brass stud was added to the subject cut-back unidentified maker Artillery holster, simply to allow the cleaning rod cover flap to close over the cleaning rod handle, as the cover flap secured to the lower brass stud is clearly stressed, even without an inserted cleaning rod and definitely could not close with an inserted cleaning rod. Please help me with identifying those markings. Reportedly next to the remaining lot of 2,760 of these readied blank toggle pistols also a small quantity of unmarked toggles came from Berlin to Oberndorf. Ventura, CA 93006, USA.) police issue 7-inch A 108 is found in the upper right backside corner, what could be considered a Police serial marking? 3 days Left DWM 1914 MILITARY UNIT MARKED LUGER SEMI-AUTO. Over all good condition. It will therefore be easy for all police officers who are familiar with the content of the book to find their way through the reworking without difficulty. These bayonets also originally had a Prussian Eagle adorned clam shell device under the grip. Receiver proof, some 1920 Military and Police Lugers. Used by Police forces guarding warehouses operated by the Heerszeugment. This legitimate variation 1 muzzle protector, as of this writing, has been known of for more than 40 years, being the first published picture of a muzzle protector, appearing in Luger by J. Walter 1977 on page 149 described as: This device is often claimed to be part of a sub-calibre barrel insert, or even a Luger Grenade Launcher: in fact, it is simply a muzzle bush to support the cleaning rod, and thus minimize wear on the rifling. German manufactured commercial holster, original pistol model unknown, as identified by ink stampings located on the inside cover flap, WALTHER POLIZEI-PISTOLEN PP / PPK und ihre Handhabung, an equally rare 1936 Walther PP/PPK 50 year commemorative flyer. Additionally, hand written in pencil on the wooden cover is Fehrenbach, which is an area in Germany. Prussian Eagle adorned clam shell device under the grip. The above theory suggests holster cannibalism of German and non-German holsters in the reconfiguration of these Artillery holsters to Police holsters, while not offering an alternate explanation as to the intent or purpose of the current configuration of the subject cut-back, unidentified maker Artillery holster. ad[7]='http://www.germandaggers.com/banners/Marna.jpg'; Polizeiwehr Sturgess in TBLAP also states that the new police cleaning rods were issued to each police pistol, further stating in the Fig. The left side of the slide has a Crown/N insp proof. the These cut-back LP.08 holsters were used or at least modified/converted until 1928 when a new style of police holster was introduced without a holster spine attached cleaning rod sleeve, replacing it with a spare magazine pouch. II. is unknown. Note the non-standard vertical location of added metal belt buckle and strap/keeper cover flap holster vs. the regulation positioned and angled location of a cleaning rod, marked on a milled flat section of the shaft, the pictured cut-back artillery to police holster, was modified to carry the police cleaning rod with added brass stopper, the police brass stop cleaning rod with a seven ring wooden handle cannot be inserted past the added, upper leather cleaning rod pouch section, securing cover flap brass stud as the bell-shaped, rather large 13 m/m diameter brass stopper, permanently affixed to the much smaller 5.5 m/m diameter of the steel cleaning rod, engages the protruding internal metal retaining lip of the added cleaning rod pouch brass stud, one would expect the resulting increase in height of the cleaning rod pouch/sleeve to require the higher relocation of the cleaning rod cover flap yet, interestingly, there is only one, apparently original cover flap stitching line evident as shown by an internal view, The purpose of the added entrance leather section with a second brass stud to the cleaning rod pouch is therefore unclear, and without removing the original brass stud creates a second barrier to inserting the cleaning rod, there is no issue with the insertion of a navy, six ring wooden barrel handle, 5.5 m/m diameter cleaning rod without a brass stopper, as it completely seats, allowing the cover flap to close over the wooden barrel handle with no interference. They're not Nazi at all, just Imperial German. The following tables list the base forms for police unit marks found in German Small Arms Markings From Authentic Sources by J. Goertz and D. Bryans, Walsworth Publishing Co., Marceline MO, USA, 1997. The subject WaAJL16 stamped Police style holster is the first one of two noted examples with the second WaAJL16 stamped holster being a P.08 Army style holster which has generated much collector speculation and opining. If it is made after 1918it is a reproduction. Since this ammo is rare, it is considered to be collectible ammunition. Furthermore, later style, purportedly Magdeburg Depot rework Mg10 Stick Wing eagle stamps have been identified on the rear frame of P08 Lugers that are much smaller than the earlier and larger Weimar eagle style E/Mg10 stampings of the 41 dated WwMg/41 and E/Mg10 P08 holsters and of the subject Police holster. state of Bavaria had the small arms issued to its members of the These numbers were accountability numbers and were assigned to the policeman that carried the bayonet, as it remained the property of the issuing city. This is German WWI Naval crown m marked on the left receiver. 1644 of the 49th centuria within II command, Dusseldorf (S.D. Pictured is a 1942 dated A. Fischer Berlin C.2 police holster with an eagle over circled Nazi Swastika police inspection stamp; view 1 and view 2. Akah made commercial holsters in the 1920s and 1930s with some used by the Germen Polizei. The side cover and the left high edge has mild wear. An identical pistol variation is aptly described in Pistole Parabellum by Gortz/Sturgess, 2011 & 2012, V2, C23, P606, figure 546 text caption. The instruction manual is pictured and other interesting details are described in TBLAP, VIII, Chapter 19, Page 1297, Fig. In the TBLAP, Fig. Unit marks were applied to many kinds of German military and police 31. Additionally, it seems incongruous that a 1920s post WW1 manufacture brass stud was added or replaced when clearly period correct brass studs were available as attested by the added brass stud, while the apparent goal was to modify the cleaning rod pouch/sleeve and cover flap to accommodate a Police cleaning rod as the lower replaced brass stud would clearly interfere with the insertion of a Police cleaning rod. I am interested in the following symbols on the bottom side of the magazine, too. allow citizens to protect themselves from looters, armed gangs, and It is described as "Berlin Police Armory Acceptance Stamp. Pictured above are two books, Band I or Volume I 2. The matching serial number is marked on the barrel extension, front of the frame and bottom of the barrel with the partial number "33 on most small parts including the inside of each grip panel. Pictured is another modified example. included provisions for two spare magazines, cleaning rod, box of period ammunition and a loading tool. ad[5]='http://www.germandaggers.com/banners/wittmann.jpg'; page 174, Fig. The seller states that: It is said this marking was used to indicate issue to security guards at military installations. This was the largest of the HZa's and located in Bavaria. Nachr. 3 days Left DWM 1906 SWISS POLICE LUGER SEMI-AUTO PISTOL. The corner of the grip was removed to allow the safety to function. ----------------------------------------------------------- page 3 ----------------------------------------------------------. There is no doubt as to what variation of Mndungsschoner or muzzle protector was used in conjunction with the new 1920s police cleaning rod with brass stopper with, at least, one Weimar era police station as evidenced in Weimar Lugers,1993 page 183, figure 47c by J. The second being a 1920s chamber stamped commercial P.08 Luger 9754r that is forward gripstrap police marked lengthwise S. M. 1704. or (Prussia) Schutzpolizei Mnster 1074 - Protection Police, Mnster district 7. installed over the barrel sight block blade assembly as a single unit with the Pictured are multiple views of the four brass studs and their dimensions used with the subject holster. For more detailed information on the 1946 Dresden Police manual. and shipped to Mauser in the great move of 1930. Usually when this is done another identification is added. Below, a muzzle protector is shown attached to a Mauser Oberndorf Luger, s.n. Most observed are reworks with double date or blank chambers of DWM and ERFURT.(shown below) The eagle proof differs from recognized Police Luger eagle stamped holsters, which are usually not associated with E/WaA control numbers. back-side attached single, horizontal leather stock block strip and removing the center block. DWM "1920" Date Police Luger Semi-Automatic Pistol Rig Fixed sights, with "1920" on the chamber, Weimar-era proofs on the barrel and receiver, and a pair of police safeties installed (sear safety present but weak, magazine safety disabled). SIG Sauer Tango MSR Optic Review: Your Value & Performance LPVO. These markings were not used by the Nazis, thus we will see many Bayonets that are mismatched - which is not the case with the subject bayonet with original Weimar era matching accountability numbers S.B. the Treaty of Versailles on German soil. Other than the TBLAP published information that The first pictured example of a multiple conversion of an artillery to police holster conversion. Luger wooden box cleaning kit. The eagle in front is the type of the Weimar era and was in use from 1919 - 1939. Still, however, somewhat refutes his prior reportedly statements, five years later in Weimar Lugers 1993 on page 181, Figure 47a text caption where he dismisses the (carry) use of the police cleaning rods with cut-back artillery Luger holsters where he states that: These (police cleaning) rods probably remained in Army or police stations as the brass stop prevents them for fitting in holsters. III. It should be noted that the World of Lugers Proof Marks 1977 by S. Constanzo, page 108 pictured E/Mg10 eagle is a different style from the subject E/Mg10 eagle. ----------------------------------------------------------- page 2 ----------------------------------------------------------. Prussian Police (Schutzpolizei), 1922. were issued to. (A fairly common occurrence.) The fourth is a very early 3-digit, circa 1930 production DWM/Mauser commercial/Police Luger serial number 873V. Note: Black scabbard & frog is city. Pictured is a 1915 dated P. Braunleder Cln As to whether it was used in that capacity is not known, however, does lend to the confusion if there was a muzzle protector, specifically made for the sole function to be used exclusively with the new brass stop police cleaning rod. 1014 stamped on the back side along with an Eagle/Mg10 stamping, considered by Luger collectors to be rare on holsters, particularly on Police Luger holsters. We got our hands on one of the original MCXs for some testing. August Weiss confirms that these pistols were sold by Mauser to the German Police; this solves my problem. it is stamped on the rear with the original holstered police Luger serial number 5008. fortunately the holster still retains the matching 5008 serial number stamped loading tool. S.B.S.I 1.7 - item 7 in the 1st Centuria within command I of the South 1374v. period and evaded restrictions placed on them. Post August Weiss states further that the 'Riff' lot was produced by DWM late 1927 - early 1928. That will teach me not to depend on my memory! Faint illegible ink stamp inside the flap (Zeitz?). There is a Luftwaffe Eagle 2. var xy=Math.floor(Math.random()*ad.length); When the holster enters military service, it is inspected and proofed. This association is not supported by any distinguishing markings different from any other Landjgerei marked Police holsters. Pictured is a brown leather 1935 dated Robert Larsen Berlin police holster with an eagle over circled K police inspection stamp and P08 pistol issue number or serial number 7307; view 1, Despite the fact that both Weimar Lugers and It is a numbers matching pistol. TBLAP by Grtz/Sturgess, 2011 & 2012, VIII, on pages 1262-1264 and pictured on page 1262, Fig. Nickle plated (1900-1908) or tin plated (1908-1945). Thus, unit marks give one some history about the items on which Still 1991, page 25 who also states the following regarding this variation. 1st model prototype. 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